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whose stories are they?
This is a personal essay I have been trying to write for a very, very long time. It isn't sparked by one thing in particular, but it comes in response to, and accord with, things I've read by [info]chopchica and [info]miriam_heddy and [info]roga and [info]dafnap and [info]abyssinia4077 and [info]xiphias and [info]kita0610 and ... yeah.

I'm not speaking for all Jews here, and I'm not speaking for those listed above, but I am also not just speaking for myself.

“The Old Testament is responsible for more atheism, agnosticism, disbelief-call it what you will-than any book ever written; it has emptied more churches than all the counterattractions of cinema, motor bicycle and golf course.”

-- A. A. Milne


These days, Kabbalah is a thing you play around with if you're Madonna, or Jane Krakowski on 30 Rock. It's "all the fun parts of Judaism, mixed with magic! :D" It's a hobby, or at best a fad with those little red string bracelets. It's been used to make Jews sound all freaky and weird, which, to be fair, we totally are, and it contains some of the strangest fringe concepts present in our cult. Even growing up, Kabbalah was always a little funky to me, if extremely attractive. Of course, as a woman, I shouldn't study Kabbalah; investigation into the sefirot is traditionally limited to men willing to devote their entire life to the practice.

It was also an ordinary thing that came up every so often in class or in sermons, tied with gematria. (Gematria is frequently referred to as Jewish numerology as if the discipline were a matter of adding up all the numbers in our name and going "That means you will meet a dark stranger on the beach," instead of a form of investigation into the inner meanings of complex texts that were quite possibly deliberately employing such a system.) In one speech I remember, during a Simchat Torah service, my rabbi stood, carrying the Torah, and rolled it open to the very last word. "The last letter of the last word of the Torah," he said, "is lamed. The first letter of the first word of the Torah is bet. Lamed-bet. Lamed-vet. Lev. The Hebrew word for heart."

"The Torah," he said, "is a beating heart. It beats slowly, once a year. But it's been beating for a long time."




27 The man said, "What's your name?" He answered, "Jacob."
28 The man said, "But no longer. Your name is no longer Jacob. From now on it's Israel (God-Wrestler); you've wrestled with God and you've come through."
... 31-32 The sun came up as he left Peniel, limping because of his hip. (This is why Israelites to this day don't eat the hip muscle; because Jacob's hip was thrown out of joint.)"


Genesis 27-32/Parshat Vayishlach (my Torah portion)



The things you know about the opening of the Bible are probably wrong. Not all of you, obviously, but ... some of you. For one thing, there was no apple. Just about the only thing we know is that the apple was made up out of whole cloth later, as a Latin pun. There's a tradition I love that it was a pomegranate -- that the myth ties to Persephone, that early example of the complexities of choice -- or a tamarind, or a grape, as the Talmud holds. (Some of these details I got from Wikipedia. You don't even know how much that depresses me.)

I took a class in Genesis at the University of Chicago with a number of Christian students; it was probably the origin of me wanting to get out, to go home. I couldn't take one more person looking at the naked, undefined, unillustrated KJV and suggesting that "well maybe God wanted them to eat the apple." As though in this undergraduate class they were the first to have thought of it; as though they were the first to struggle through this question, to wonder if they could question an act of such obvious cruelty. No one asked if the apple meant sin in the first place, as no one would agree with me that, perhaps, when Abraham questioned God and Israel fought with God, such things indicated that we were allowed to do so as well. They said instead, "Well, this proves how special he was." One put forth the idea that the Akedah was a foreshadowing of Jesus.

It was the second time I'd read a naked Bible, a text without extensive annotation and commentary, without doing straight-up line searches online. It looked rude, or like I was missing half the story. I'm Reform, and I don't believe that the Talmud came down to us from sacred inspiration (Rebecca was three years old? Please, even the Talmudic scholars disagreed on that one), but -- without years of argument and debate surrounding every line, how were you supposed to work past your first assumption about the text? How were you supposed to understand what it meant to your fathers, to those of your mothers who snuck looks at the stories, to Maimonides in Al-Andalus and to Akiva who didn't think much of Jesus when he met him and to the thousands of years of commentators thinking under the yoke of the Christian world?

How was I supposed to sit in class and listen to people say, Maybe we're just not supposed to understand the contradictions in the text?

Or to the new grad student teacher, a Jew himself, telling me, We try to read the text in isolation here?

What does that even mean?




In order to perceive the prodigious paradox of faith, a paradox that makes a murder into a holy and God-pleasing act, a paradox that gives Isaac back to Abraham again, which no thought can grasp, because faith begins precisely where thought stops—in order to perceive this, it is now my intention to draw out in the form of problemata the dialectical aspects implicit in the story of Abraham.
-- Fear and Trembling, Kierkegaard



Yesterday, Rick Warren got up on the podium and said, "History is your story. The Scripture tells us, 'Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God. The Lord is One.'" He didn't go anywhere with it; he just wanted to say, "Hey, y'all, I believe in God," which we already kind of knew, especially when he invoked the Hebrew name of Jesus, his name in every language he could apparently think of. In so doing he quoted the most fundamental prayer of the Jewish faith.

Two years ago, in an attempt to make myself feel smart, I tried to read Fear and Trembling, one of the most seminal philosophical texts in Western culture. In it Kierkegaard takes up the story of Abraham and Isaac, the story of Abraham binding and attempting to sacrifice his son. He wrestles with it over a hundred pages, and concludes (in part) that it is impossible to understand the kind of man who would sacrifice his son, or God's motivations in commanding him to do so. He never once references any of the thousands of Jewish thinkers who have talked about the text. He acts as though he has invented this struggle, as though he were the first to wonder about it, as though every year at Rosh Hashana I did not have to wonder again, would I--?, as though generations of whichever Jewish kids were paying attention during Rosh Hashana and not dreaming of apples and honey did not have to think, would my father--? As though the story alone, robbed of the ambiguity of the rest of the Torah, in translation, made any sense at all, or as though "God doesn't make sense" is enough of an answer.

It's a traditional test of Christian faith, but it isn't what made me lose my faith, because I had already been forced to wrestle with it by the time I was ten, and with Jacob's inhumanity to his brother and his daughter by the time I was thirteen, and God's random cruelty to man by the time I was old enough to know the history of my people, which was very, very young.




Love work,
hate authority,
don’t get friendly with the government.

-- Shemmayah and Avtalion (Pirkei Avot 1:10)



We don't have a hell of a lot, as Jews. There is not a lot we are allowed. In the country we lay claim to, we are settlers, with all the heartbreak and disaster that implies, and for me at least it is not a "back where you came from." Our language is mostly constructed, the day-to-day stuff; the prayer language is the only thing we have preserved in perfection, because until the 1920s Hebrew was basically like Latin and used at best for scholarly communication. Yiddish and Ladino and our other hard-won creoles are dying with their speakers, as we assimilate into America piece by piece and as Noah uses us to sell bagels. Our history is mostly forgotten or erased, and God, that's a whole other post, and that's part of why I never make this post, because I don't know how to fit into one thing, all the misery and heartbreak and confusion and love and pride and joy -- because despite it all we are triumphant, and yeah, part of that is because a lot of us are white and so we're not dead, and we're remembered, and by God we're ubiquitous, but most of our story nonetheless disappeared into the many rivulets of the diaspora.

What we have are, essentially, four books. We have the Nevi'im and the Ketuvim, our prophets and our poetry and the history we remember. We have the Talmud -- the Mishnah and the Gemarah -- and the commentary that sprung up around it, those footnotes that pile on footnotes and ideas that pile on ideas, divinely inspired or not. And we have the Torah, our beating heart.

Out of four books, you call three of them your own.

It's not cultural appropriation, because it is truly part of your culture. It's been part of your culture for about two thousand years, so you'd think I'd find it easy to let it go. It's not like this is a new thing. They are your stories, fair and square, the heroes and heroines of my childhood -- Abraham and Sarah, Deborah, Tamar, Reuben and Judah, Joseph who bears that uncanny resemblance to my little brother, Moses, Miriam, Elijah. They're yours too. You don't have to know what they mean to us to know what they meant to you.

But, still, you think that the sacred texts of our culture, the things that we are left with, those are just the optional preludes to your story. That four thousand years of a struggle to survive can be summed up, completed, by the New Testament and the story of Jesus Christ. And that is an almost unbridgeable gap. It's so big that all we can do is ignore it: ignore that, to you, we are incomplete, regressions; for all you say, and no matter how wonderful you are, and no matter how much you say everyone's interpretation is correct, the texts at the heart of our culture are still to you the optional and infrequently understood prologues to the story of your heroic and saintly lives.

I know as I write this I'm hurting some of the devout Christians among my friends, and for that I apologize, because it is of course possible to recognize that Judaism went on and grew and expanded at the same time as Christianity did, and that the story doesn't end just because our testaments are shorter, because they are thicker and more tangled with years and years and years of thought that, mostly, you guys just ditched to start anew. I know it's totally possible because on the same day and about half an hour after Rick Warren took our central prayer to fill his God quota per minute, Reverend Lowery stood up and took another, Lo yisa goy el goy cherev -- nation shall not lift up sword against nation, something I sing in temple every time I go, as the Torah goes around the aisle. It's a biggie. And I knew he meant it, and that he'd thought about it and loved it and lived by it and wished to make it true. That to him they were living words.

But by and large when you speak about the beating heart of my religion, the words that define me and my family and my friends and my people, you treat them as the dead message written by a primitive people. (It was considered Judaizing, and illegal, to study the Old Testament too much in Reformation England.) You don't know the midrashim, even the obvious ones. You don't know about Moses and the coals or Abraham and the idols. You've never seen a page of the Mishnah. You don't know the gematria or the trope or the crowns on the letters, you probably don't know the Hebrew at all, you know the naked text in translation, and you take it and call it your own. Or you quote it, Christian atheists, to prove how ridiculous the Bible is -- how absurd it is to believe in God.

To which the words I want to say definitely aren't written in any religious text.




I don't know where I was going with this. I wish I did, though. It has something to do with the way it feels to hear misreadings of our tradition, and something to do with wishing more Jews got to tell the stories of the Bible besides just The Red Tent. It has something to do with not being dead. It has something to do with the way that Kabbalah is trendy and the way that you have never heard of my holidays, but your savior sure celebrated them all. It has something to do with the way that atheists talk about the Judeo-Christian tradition, as though it made any sense, and something to do with the way they talk about the Christian tradition, and forget us altogether.

We're still there. It may be nearly drowned out by all those hymns, but that beating heart under your floorboards and in my chest and on the scroll is still audible, if you listen close enough to hear.



very small eta: Some comments have been screened or frozen. all such comments were done so at the request of the individual commenters, and not because of any abuse of my journal's policies or something!

There are now six pages of comments and I'm teary just thinking about that; I'm trying to work through them and give you guys the responses you deserve. If it takes a while, I'm really sorry.


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[info]nepheliad
2009-01-22 01:29 am UTC (link)
I want to thank you for this post again – I am going to thank you for it again and again, whenever I link someone to it to say "This is what I think when you say that," because you say it all better than I do.

I wish I could have known your rabbi; that is a concept that never came by me before. My religious school was largely a bad experience that had nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with my fellow students, and that was half the reason I never got my Bat Mitzvah. That and questioning whether or not I deserved it, because my mother is a convert whose conversion was complete three days after my birth (despite having received a mikvah and Simchat Bat of my own) – now she and I still want to do it together, someday, now that we are both Too Old in the eyes of the common public.

(Then again, what do they know?)

I still don't have words beyond the words I tried to give you before – that this is a little piece of perfection, a little bit like reading my mind, and thank you. ♥

And the next time Beth says "Old Testament" around me, I'll make her read this again. And I wish I had a more eloquent, less selfish-sounding response, but I said a lot of it in my previous comment! That and some tears.

Edited at 2009-01-22 01:32 am UTC

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 01:37 am UTC (link)
Uncoincidentally, that rabbi is the reason our Sunday school is so fantastic, because if nothing else he understands how important it is to really teach the kids. He's just a remarkable man and I hope you can meet him one day, and the other rabbis who kept me Jewish even though I'm a big atheist, and who suckered me into this persistent desire to be the world's only totally unbelieving unreligious rabbi.

I also, as I've said before, think you deserve an anshei mitzvah more than almost anyone I know. ♥

God, thank you, Rue. It means a lot to me that you know what I'm talking about. This comment doesn't sound selfish in the slightest.

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(no subject) - [info]nepheliad, 2009-01-22 01:40 am UTC (Expand)
Oh, *wow* - [info]bastette_joyce, 2009-06-10 01:59 am UTC (Expand)

[info]pushingmetaphor
2009-01-22 01:38 am UTC (link)
I said this before but it bears repeating: I am glad to have read this. Also, NORTON READER.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 01:40 am UTC (link)
Thank you for reading it, for serious. ♥

oh god my first thought was EMPEROR NORTON WHAR??

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[info]newredshoes
2009-01-22 01:44 am UTC (link)
Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

I remember the first time I was told that the Old Testament God was angry and vengeful, and that the New Testament God was gentle and forgiving, and obviously superior. I can't begin to say how angry that made me, and I was just a kid and she was the grown-up next-door neighbor, so I couldn't talk back. No. We are more. We are so much, and so few people want to hear about it. It doesn't count the same way. But I'm glad I read this, and that you wrote it. I will always be happy to see you write more.

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[info]nepheliad
2009-01-22 01:45 am UTC (link)
I remember the first time I was told that the Old Testament God was angry and vengeful, and that the New Testament God was gentle and forgiving, and obviously superior.

Holy what I do not know what to say to that except hello, sudden blinding rage!

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[info]deutscheami
2009-01-22 01:58 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure which Christian schools of thought you've had the most interaction with, but the... Christian tradition, call it, that I come from teaches that we can only understand the New Testament through the context given by the Old Testament-- there's not a hard, impermeable divide between the two, but a connection that's alive and symbiotic and full of grace through Jesus-- who came to fulfill the Law (= Old Testament) and not to abolish it*.

One of my favorite readings from Sunday services says in part that "We believe the Word of God is alive and moving, speaking and acting" and I love how that resonates with your rabbi's image of the Torah as a beating heart.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this either, so I'm going to link to a song that I love and use that as an attempt at a graceful conclusion, which this decidedly is not: Sarah Masen- Psalm 139

*Matthew 5: 17-19 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven."

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 02:50 am UTC (link)
Between you and slacktivist, I have near-constant proof that there's a great deal of love and wonder and respect in the Christian tradition tied to the same things we believe in ours, and I don't want to discredit or devalue any of it -- cf Lowery above.

I have enormous respect for serious Christian religious scholarship and it's informed my whole life since I started reading it with C. S. Lewis right through Augustine and Family Man. Which is why I can't tell you what tradition teaches that we are imperfect and unfinished -- any tradition that pays attention to its own text would know that, as you say, it's right there in Matthew.* Nevertheless, as [info]newredshoes says before, it's a truism in this culture that the Old Testament is vengeful and the New is loving, or that, you know, Genesis is so weird and Deuteronomy so boring. Or all those lines about "well these are rules for some weird desert people." All of which I've even said in my lifetime. But, you know, we are a weird desert people, and we can totally hear you saying that!

The Psalms are unbelievably lovely; I can't wait to hear this version.

One of my favorite readings from Sunday services says in part that "We believe the Word of God is alive and moving, speaking and acting" and I love how that resonates with your rabbi's image of the Torah as a beating heart.

This. Also the church sign, "God is still speaking,".

* Hebrews 8:13, though: By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

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[info]rimestock
2009-01-22 02:02 am UTC (link)
Actually nevermind! I haven't figured out how to say what I want to say, yet, and I ... also don't want to get into arguments with my father about godless lesbian Jewish weddings.

At some point I think you'd actually like talking to him, because he ... is interested in so much more than mere Christianity, written by C S Lewis or otherwise – he is definitely the smartest person I know, the most well-educated when it comes to religion and how Christianity builds off Judaism and needs its roots, it isn't isolated. How even the New Testament, so well-beloved by Christians who are blind to what came before, doesn't make sense if you take it out of context, if you don't pay attention to the fact that the first three books were written with very different target audiences, and that is why they say different things –

I am going to stop talking because I can be surprisingly passionate about this and it's all from a historical perspective and I know that I don't know jack shit, so really I'm going to shut up and be thought an idiot instead of continuing to talk and removing all doubt.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 02:59 am UTC (link)
If you do make up your mind, I'd be proud and honored if you showed it to him, as long as you explain that I do love a lot of Christian scholarship and religious tradition. I also don't mind if you link it anywhere.

If your father understands those things, he's a very good pastor. I wish he were more typical.

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[info]thingswithwings
2009-01-22 02:21 am UTC (link)
thank you so much for writing this; I've learned a lot, I hope, from reading it. What you say about centuries of tradition and scholarship and thought being cruelly erased or bastardized is very moving and even shocking, to me, and makes me think about what gets lost - who gets left behind - when we look at texts like this one, breathing texts, "in isolation." I'm not religious myself, but I have enormous respect for people who are, and enormous frustration for fellow nonbelievers who think there's something modern about atheism and something primitive about faith. Which is a long way of saying, this post was beautiful and thoughtful.

Anyhow, I'm sorry, I don't mean to ramble, I just wanted to say: your post made me think about things I haven't had to think about before, and that's a really good thing, and thank you.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 03:00 am UTC (link)
Thank you for reading it, for serious. I'm very glad it made you think.

You can ramble here any time. ♥

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[info]skywardprodigal
2009-01-22 04:23 am UTC (link)
Thank you for writing this eloquent and impassioned reclamation.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 04:30 am UTC (link)
Thank you for your praise, and for reading it.

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[info]rosehiptea
2009-01-22 04:32 am UTC (link)
This is really good. It says a lot of things I wish I could say but can't.

Thank you.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 05:11 am UTC (link)
Thank you for reading and for your comment. It took me a really long time to be able to say this myself, so best of luck to you.

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[info]chopchica
2009-01-22 04:52 am UTC (link)
Wow, what an *amazing* post. Thank so so much for this. And being referenced as somebody who led you toward writing this...what an honor! Again, thank you.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 05:11 am UTC (link)
Haha, um, the issue was more whether or not to just reference you. Your posts about being Jewish in fandom are really a big part of the reason I'm, you know, still around and not dead of frustrated-rage-induced apoplexy.

Thank you so much, on every level.

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[info]ariastar
2009-01-22 05:19 am UTC (link)
I think this is the bit where I start feeling a little horrified that my parents made very sure I understood I was Jewish and then made absolutely no effort at all to have me understand what that meant, so I live in a headspace where I can talk fairly coherently about the New Testament and don't even know how to start talking about anything that came before it. I don't know, but I'm very glad this post exists, if only so I can go back to it and remember that I don't know what I'm talking about.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 05:55 am UTC (link)
I'm glad this post did something for you. I hope very much that you get to find a way into the heritage, honey, if you want to.

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[info]kita0610
2009-01-22 05:46 am UTC (link)
You...wrote the post I wanted to write.

Only you did it a ton better. And with less cuss words.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 05:52 am UTC (link)
The cuss words are only hiding until my parents have read it. XD

Thank you for reading, and let me go edit the post, because I've realized that I went to look up the numbers in your name to cite you at the top and totally left you out, so: yeah, it means a lot to me that you understand.

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2009-01-22 06:01 am UTC (link)
(also, maybe I'm glad I missed the inauguration because...HE QUOTED THE Sh'MA? REALLY?)

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[info]ultranos_fic
2009-01-22 06:29 am UTC (link)
([info]abyssinia4077 showed me this.)

I...I have no words, because this was that beautiful. Thank you. I learned so much, and I am deeply saddened I did not know it before now.

Thank you.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 07:05 am UTC (link)
Thank you for reading, and for your comments. I appreciate it.

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[info]dafnap
2009-01-22 06:52 am UTC (link)
But by and large when you speak about the beating heart of my religion, the words that define me and my family and my friends and my people, you treat them as the dead message written by a primitive people.

Like those before me: thank you for this. Seriously. It's always something that bothered me, the idea that we aren't allowed to interact with a text that is meant to define every day of our lives; about being asked to reinvent the wheel when looking for guidance anywhere.

I never had the chance or time to study my faith like I should, but I grew up listening to my parents, like any good Israeli ex-pat, ex-socialists and for all intents and purposes, atheist, discuss the books down to the word, beginning to end, inside and out, weaving through Hebrew when it was just for adults, with little bits of English to keep me and my brother awake at the table. It fascinated me that for people who could be so disillusioned, and at times, actively faithless, that the act of discussing, picking apart a text, working off of a common dialectic, could still be so important and vital. Seeing discussion invites discussion, and there's something there, in allowing a person to leave their mark on something holy, to keep people like my parents in the fold even when their capacity for faith fades.

It has something to do with the way that atheists talk about the Judeo-Christian tradition, as though it made any sense, and something to do with the way they talk about the Christian tradition, and forget us altogether.

That's always been my problem, explaining to friends how I could still consider myself Jewish without actively believing. I think I don't want to forget, out of stubbornness from growing up in a primarily Christian small town, or because of the desire to preserve a religion that encourages dialogue as much it tries to teach. Or maybe it's mere pettiness, because I want to make my family's history worthwhile, to not let those words in the margin fade away.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 07:09 am UTC (link)
about being asked to reinvent the wheel when looking for guidance anywhere.

This. This.

That's always been my problem, explaining to friends how I could still consider myself Jewish without actively believing. I think I don't want to forget, out of stubbornness from growing up in a primarily Christian small town, or because of the desire to preserve a religion that encourages dialogue as much it tries to teach. Or maybe it's mere pettiness, because I want to make my family's history worthwhile, to not let those words in the margin fade away.

*Yes.* Thank you.

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[info]shewhohashope
2009-01-22 07:29 am UTC (link)
Wow. Thank you for this.

the Judeo-Christian tradition

This phrase means nothing to me, and I wish people wouldn't use it.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 07:41 am UTC (link)
And then you get people being all "Oh the Abrahamic tradition" and then I punch them in the face! It is up there for me with "well there's been fighting in the Middle East for so long, you know" and "the monotheistic tradition of sin".

Thank you for reading.

eta: ugh, I meant in the sense of "that venn diagram doesn't mean what you think it does," not "i hate it when people include Islam," hopefully you got this the first time and I'm just paranoid, over and out.

Edited at 2009-01-22 04:50 pm UTC

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[info]pickwick
2009-01-22 08:02 am UTC (link)
Thank you for this. I've had hardly any contact with Judaism (about 0.1% of the Scottish population is Jewish) and a lot of this would never have occurred to me, though it makes perfect sense. This entry will help me to avoid being horrendously ignorant and offensive, I hope, and has definitely made me realise I should know more about it.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 04:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you read and appreciated. The beauty of Wikipedia is that I now know the Dire Straits are Scots Jews, so clearly the solution is to listen to a lot more of them?

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[info]daegaer
2009-01-22 11:19 am UTC (link)
This is a brilliant post!

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Thank you very much.

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[info]acari
2009-01-22 11:20 am UTC (link)
(via [info]stilljewish)

I know this wasn't written to educate the masses, but I want to thank you nevertheless. I think this was something which I always knew but never really got before.

I have totally been the sort of culturally Christian atheist who, in trying to make a point about Christianity, kept poking Jews in the eye. In the future I will try to be more careful with my words.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Well, it does have a liberal use of the second-person pronoun for said masses' benefit. :)

Thank you so much for reading it, and for your comments. If it helps, I've also been that kind of atheist, so I know how hard a trap it is to avoid.

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[info]jesuitfluff
2009-01-22 01:44 pm UTC (link)
I don't have words, really. It's the morning, and I'm sitting here getting my half-hour of the interwebs before there is coffee, but about midway through the second paragraph I don't believe I need coffee any more. I may need a Kleenex, and I might need to go running, but I think that what I need is a library and a docent.

One of the greatest things you have ever given me and what you consistently bring to the table is a window into things I don't know, and this is more of a doorway, opened.

The reason I know about Moses and the coals is because of a science fiction novel that made a throwaway reference to the angel guiding Moses's hand. I wonder if I would have thought as much about it had I learned it from a friend or a teacher or an aunt.

Of course, one would think that I'd know a great deal of what you reference already, since I have done a lot of study into the impoverishment (spiritual, musical, cultural, medicinal, legal, what have you) of Spain and Poland directly correlational to when they stopped listening to and forcing out the Jews there, while lifting and renaming everything 'useful'. One would think.

I may need a cup of coffee after all, so I can organize something better than a simple "thank you" and also my wonder that your rhetoric is so crisp and polished. ENVY.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 06:49 pm UTC (link)
You keep complimenting me on my rhetoric like I didn't get half of it from you!! Anyway.

Thank you for reading, and for your praise. I hope you do go seek this stuff out, and I hope you bring it back and tell me about it, because there's a lot I still don't know or only guess at.

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[info]etrangere
2009-01-22 01:47 pm UTC (link)
(via [info]stilljewish)

This is a brilliant, gorgeous post. I hope you don't mind if I link to it from my journal.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 06:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm very flattered and I don't mind at all. Thank you.

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[info]silveraspen
2009-01-22 02:39 pm UTC (link)
(Here by way of [info]newredshoes.)

Thank you for writing this; for sharing these invaluable thoughts, so well-articulated.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for reading it and for your comments.

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[info]sg_betty
2009-01-22 05:06 pm UTC (link)
I learned just now, and a lot of it was how very little I know. Thanks for opening my eyes.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, thank you for looking.

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[info]rymenhild
2009-01-22 05:11 pm UTC (link)
[info]newredshoes linked me here.

As a Jewish woman studying medieval Christian-Jewish relations as part of my graduate degree, I have things to say about this post. If I started writing everything I was thinking here, I'd probably lose a full day of dissertation work.

The short form: I agree with you that the narrative describing Judaism as a religion superseded by Christianity, whose holy books are merely introductions and symbolic prefigurations to Christian scripture, is inaccurate and comes out of Christian thought. Judaism has been a living and vibrant religion continually reforming itself alongside Christianity for the last two thousand years. The commentaries, the Talmud, the footnotes and the footnotes to the footnotes, even the folklore orally transmitted around the Torah and the commentaries, those are perhaps an even more important part of Judaism than the words of Torah they interpret, and the commentaries continue. They're alive now.

This means -- and this is the important part of my comment -- that Christianity isn't just the follower of Judaism, but Christianity and Judaism have been responding to each other for two thousand years. An idea appears in one religion and moves to the other, or gets debated in the other religion. A medieval Spanish melody originally sung to praise of St. John of Compostela is still, to this day, the tune Jews use to sing the lament Eli Tzion on the ninth of Av. Serious academic scholars of Kabbalah (I think Arthur Green is one of them, but I'm not sure) have claimed that Christian metaphorical depictions of the Trinity inspired Jewish, Kabbalistic descriptions of multiple entities within the Godhead. Part of remembering Judaism as a strong, living religion involves remembering that it is and has always been intensely connected to the religions around it.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Believe me, I find it completely impossible to forget that Judaism has been influenced by Christianity. I know that every time I go to my Reform temple, built with stained glass and pews, and when I listen to the organs in one service and the guitar in the other. My mother sings with three other musicians Psalm 23, in an arrangement that includes an invocation of the Trinity at the end.

This is all beautiful stuff -- these are all things I love about my synagogue and about my service. But the thing is, I can't forget that we are in exchange with Christianity even for the length of time it takes to go a service. It is perfectly possible to be a Christian and never give Jewish influence and tradition a second thought.

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[info]half_elf_lost
2009-01-22 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Here from stilljewish...

Thank you for this essay. It's given me a lot of food for thought and I've shared it with others as well.

I had a very (unpleasant) visceral reaction to Warren's use of the Shemah because of who he is that invoked it, and his efforts to exclude people in the wake of his work to support Prop 8. I wanted to feel as far away from him as possible, and I felt that he co-opted a sacred prayer for his own personal aggrandizement, and not for the benefit of our country.

In contract, my reaction to Reverend Lowery's benediction was that I felt included in his words and embraced by his meaning and intentions. He got it.

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 07:15 pm UTC (link)
A big yes to your articulation of the distinction. I couldn't have loved Lowery's speech more, but Warren just felt like a kick in the ovaries.

Thank you for reading this.

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[info]elanor_two
2009-01-22 05:32 pm UTC (link)
(via [info]newredshoes)

Like everyone else before me: thank you. This was eloquent & impassioned & clear, & very, very, good to hear. I don't have much of import to say in response, yet (I am from a lapsed-Catholic + Jesuit schooling tradition, who wanted to marry a Jewish boy when I was a kid because I found the little I knew & saw about it utterly enthralling & most of what I pretend to know about religion comes from historical classes), but this is amazing & definetely makes me think.

thank you. <3

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[info]nextian
2009-01-22 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for reading it, and I'm very glad it made you think.

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